Add third party fee to the Electroneum Instant Payment API

I asked a question to Richard in the ANON summit and he answered it here:

He says in the second part of the answer that its fairly easy to add a fee to , in example the WooCommerce platform. Which it is (sort of)! You still need an extra manual made transaction after the purchase to the company that should get the fee amount. Its not quite what I had in mind (adding extra ETN and a extra transaction is not the solution in my opinion). My idea is more that its like the “affiliate” links used in Amazon and many other platform. That the fee is happening in a more seamless manner with the fee being being drawn from the total amount.

The confirmation could look something like:

  1. Company A sells something to a customer
  2. Company B helps Company A find this customer and close the deal.

Not only affiliate links but something like a real estate agent deal or anything where there is a third party connecting the deal to happen. As a third part business deal initiator (like real estate agent) you do not want to talk about “your cut” - the price/deal should be focused between Seller and Buyer (and the fee whatever the agent manages to get and accepted price for). Of course, its Company A that integrates the fee in to their payment request.

As a web designer I could for example try to sell a web hosting companys services on my own sites and by doing so get a small cut directly on each of these ETN transactions.

On the ground someone could be selling a companies goods/services with “commission” and actually see the fee entering instantly after each purchase to their wallets.

This type of possible automation at insane low cost is what makes crypto superior to fiat money. Setting up an affiliate network with fiat is crazy amounts of administration and costly bank transfers. But crypto could make it super easy and accessible (and regulated with ETNs instant payment layer)

Probably there should be a limit of 5% or so so that the example Richard makes of a 90% fee is not possible.

I think these type of things is what draws a lot of attention and makes people spread the word like the wind - and I think businesses have an extra incentive to start accepting ETN (as it could create a small army of people trying to help them sell for a small earning - think how much all youtubers with amazon affiliate links in their description have gained in sells for amazon!!)… its a win-win type of thing. If I knew “my cut”/fee was bolted into the API I would make quite an effort to try to sell whatever product/service that had it

There are a lot of “affiliate” plugins for ecommerce tools like Magento, WooCommerce, OpenCart (that creates special affiliate links to products etc) and if a fee solution could be integrated totally automatically (and transparent for the buyer) like this that could drive a lot of usage and adoption.

Because it would only work for businesses/vendors (also the fee recipient needs to be a vendor/business) I don’t see any regulatory problems with this. It just automates and makes the possibility to create “affiliates” a lot easier and more trusted by allowing the payment request link to have an extra “fee outlet ID/percent amount” inside.

I know “affiliates” sounds scammy by definition - but it should not be ignored as its super effective marketing and enables entrepreneurial opportunities (including the unbanked!).

What do you think?

@ETNCEO Another big reason for a fee bolted into the Instant Payment API is for getting the payment officially listed in eCommerce platforms like PrestaShop or cloud services like (voted as most disruptive fintech 2020 and is now Europes largest fintech company) is a very good inspiration on getting mass adoption. Klarna is a payment option for eCommerce that makes things very very simple for the shoppers and adds easy to use options for things like part payments, invoice, credit cards etc.

They used a very clever way that me and my web agency are using… They take a 3% fee on each transactions and then they offer 9% of those 3% to the developer of the plugin. Because Klarna was Swedish we (as a swede agency) started developing payment options for several ecommerce tools and platforms quite early and we are now getting this small kickback on every transaction (paid out every quarter). This created a craze of developers making plugins and adding support for Klarna everywhere. In just a bout 1 year Klarna plugins was available for every thinkable eCommerce tool/platform out there. After they were readily available everywhere online they are now going after retail market just about everywhere and its easy because users have “Klarna account” now so offering a “Pay with Klarna” in-store is a breeze for them now in many countries.

To get a new even more disruptive blockchain based fintech like Electroneum mainstream it needs to open these doors for business to make profits. When there are possibilities to earn value people walk the extra mile and creates marketing and tools for it.

A company like Shopify will never list Electroneum officially if they cannot make money out of it through small fees.

Currently the main incentive for businesses to encourage ETN usage on theirs and other platforms is if they are invested and are hoping to cash out in the future. It might work for now but it is not a very long term proposition for Electroneum - there needs to be ongoing and long term business to be made by many partners in the ETN ecosystem.


Hmh! In the latest press release there is a mention of fees:

Actually sounds a bit like this one…? :thinking:

No! - I think I understand it now - they will remove the 5-20 ETN fee for all app to app transfers and make it free. Thats cool.

“waiving” is a new word to me! :blush:


Yup, removal of blockchain fees when the transaction is signed/marked by an Electroneum wallet. This thus makes all transactions made on the second layers (wallets, instant payments, anytask etc) free to send…without risking block chain attacks from transaction spamming.

Nice little feature.


Yes, sure makes small micro transaction possible! another one of those things that decentralized layer only blockchains just cannot do.

By blockchain fees do you mean the 5 ETN it takes to send, which returns to you. Or do you mean the 0.10 ETN that is lost when sending through custodial wallet? :smile:

Both. The current wallet keeps 5 ETN back as the exact fee isn’t known (0.10 per kb of transaction size) by the current electroneum setup, so it keeps 5 ETN to be safe and to stop transactions failing in very rare cases.

This could be fixed to calculate the exact fee, but from the sounds of this update, wont be necessary as the fee will be completely removed anyway when using Electroneums 2nd layer solutions.

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